more better analysis Comments http://mbamb.blogsome.com life, the universe, something Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:12:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: доставка пиццы москва http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2006/02/21/and-back-again/#comment-38 Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:27:37 +0000 http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2006/02/21/and-back-again/#comment-38 so am i so am i

]]> by: Administrator http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2006/05/20/post-festum/#comment-35 Sun, 28 May 2006 20:52:34 +0100 http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2006/05/20/post-festum/#comment-35 Sorry, Nate, somehow I missed this comment of yours - maybe I have the blog set up to notify me at the old email address (must check that). And yes, I have been waiting to hear your account of things earlier this month ... Sorry, Nate, somehow I missed this comment of yours - maybe I have the blog set up to notify me at the old email address (must check that).

And yes, I have been waiting to hear your account of things earlier this month …

]]> by: Nate http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2006/05/20/post-festum/#comment-34 Tue, 23 May 2006 17:05:10 +0100 http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2006/05/20/post-festum/#comment-34 Dammit Steve, you took most of the highlights I'd written down in my notebook! (Except for the meeting me part. Me and I have met before. I meant meeting you. That was grand.) Now I'll have to come up with some substance before I can write a review. Drat. Maybe the two of us could collaborate on one, crossposted to both blogs? Anyway, great to see you. I hope all's well. take care, Nate Dammit Steve, you took most of the highlights I’d written down in my notebook! (Except for the meeting me part. Me and I have met before. I meant meeting you. That was grand.) Now I’ll have to come up with some substance before I can write a review. Drat. Maybe the two of us could collaborate on one, crossposted to both blogs? Anyway, great to see you. I hope all’s well.
take care,
Nate

]]> by: Mike http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2006/02/21/and-back-again/#comment-33 Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:30:40 +0100 http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2006/02/21/and-back-again/#comment-33 Hello Steve, Just noticed your comment over on "What in the hell ..." about having a bunch of Big Flame stuff. I'd love to get copies of whatever you've got, and I'm more than willing to cover printing and postage costs. There also might be some stuff I've got that would interest you, as an exchange: lots on STO, lots of various strands of contemporary anarchism, etc. Email me and let me know what you think. Solidarity, Mike Hello Steve,

Just noticed your comment over on “What in the hell …” about having a bunch of Big Flame stuff. I’d love to get copies of whatever you’ve got, and I’m more than willing to cover printing and postage costs. There also might be some stuff I’ve got that would interest you, as an exchange: lots on STO, lots of various strands of contemporary anarchism, etc. Email me and let me know what you think.

Solidarity,
Mike

]]> by: Nate http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2006/02/21/and-back-again/#comment-32 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 06:46:12 +0000 http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2006/02/21/and-back-again/#comment-32 Yeah, nice to see a post. You gonna do the Tronti thing with us? best, n8 Yeah, nice to see a post. You gonna do the Tronti thing with us?
best,
n8

]]> by: Steve http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2005/11/20/something-mute/#comment-31 Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:03:28 +0000 http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2005/11/20/something-mute/#comment-31 I'm struggling to remember any sustained discussion of the notion of the social factory (more often, 'factory-society'). The most likely place is in articles from the journal Aut Aut during the seventies - eg G. Bossi (1975) ‘Classe e composizione di classe—Per una riconiderazione delle ipotesi della nuova sinistra’, Aut Aut 149-50, September-October. And I once saw something in English about social planning and (I think) the social factory, but will need to wait until my papers are unpacked again to be sure ... I’m struggling to remember any sustained discussion of the notion of the social factory (more often, ‘factory-society’). The most likely place is in articles from the journal Aut Aut during the seventies - eg G. Bossi (1975) ‘Classe e composizione di classe—Per una riconiderazione delle ipotesi della nuova sinistra’, Aut Aut 149-50, September-October. And I once saw something in English about social planning and (I think) the social factory, but will need to wait until my papers are unpacked again to be sure …

]]> by: Administrator http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2006/02/21/and-back-again/#comment-30 Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:57:45 +0000 http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2006/02/21/and-back-again/#comment-30 I think I've fixed that link - too many https. Good to hear from you, hope we can catch up soon, I have been very slack (caught up in renovation-land) ... I think I’ve fixed that link - too many https. Good to hear from you, hope we can catch up soon, I have been very slack (caught up in renovation-land) …

]]> by: s0metim3s http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2006/02/21/and-back-again/#comment-29 Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:08:54 +0000 http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2006/02/21/and-back-again/#comment-29 Hey, nice to see a post. Btw, I can't get the link to Aufheben to work (and can't recall it from another computer). Hey, nice to see a post. Btw, I can’t get the link to Aufheben to work (and can’t recall it from another computer).

]]> by: Nate http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2005/11/20/something-mute/#comment-28 Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:18:17 +0000 http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2005/11/20/something-mute/#comment-28 hey gang, Missed the responses here, sorry to come late... Nik, I've not read the Aufheben piece yet that you mentioned. I'm not sure what's at stake in whether or not a concept of value is threadbare or full. I generally think capitalism's not very complicated intellectually, nor is the revolution. It's just really, really, really hard. (I imagine it's like running a marathon - what's complicated about that? Just, you know, run for a super long time and try not to keel over.) I like Harry Cleaver's take on value, which as far as I can tell means basically just "imposed work for someone else, done in a way that helps preserve their power". In that sense then housework is definitely value productive: if I don't wash my clothes I will be less effective at my job. Same thing if I don't eat or bathe or occasionally have a nice time. That's all stuff that impacts on whether or not my boss gets what he wants from me, and none of it is compensated. And if the people who the majority of that work stop doing it, it will cause a problem for the bosses. I think that's the basic point, but I could be wrong. As for the social factory, I'd love to write something on the concept but I need some solid representative pieces on what the concept is (Steve, any recommendations from the stuff you know of?). To my mind, the idea in one version is great - work doesn't just occur on the clock. On the other hand, there's a way to handle it that I really don't like: work has become something that doesn't just occur on the clock. That strikes me as super problematic. take care, Nate hey gang,
Missed the responses here, sorry to come late… Nik, I’ve not read the Aufheben piece yet that you mentioned. I’m not sure what’s at stake in whether or not a concept of value is threadbare or full. I generally think capitalism’s not very complicated intellectually, nor is the revolution. It’s just really, really, really hard. (I imagine it’s like running a marathon - what’s complicated about that? Just, you know, run for a super long time and try not to keel over.) I like Harry Cleaver’s take on value, which as far as I can tell means basically just “imposed work for someone else, done in a way that helps preserve their power”. In that sense then housework is definitely value productive: if I don’t wash my clothes I will be less effective at my job. Same thing if I don’t eat or bathe or occasionally have a nice time. That’s all stuff that impacts on whether or not my boss gets what he wants from me, and none of it is compensated. And if the people who the majority of that work stop doing it, it will cause a problem for the bosses. I think that’s the basic point, but I could be wrong.
As for the social factory, I’d love to write something on the concept but I need some solid representative pieces on what the concept is (Steve, any recommendations from the stuff you know of?). To my mind, the idea in one version is great - work doesn’t just occur on the clock. On the other hand, there’s a way to handle it that I really don’t like: work has become something that doesn’t just occur on the clock. That strikes me as super problematic.
take care,
Nate

]]> by: dr.woooo http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2005/11/20/something-mute/#comment-27 Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:21:33 +0000 http://mbamb.blogsome.com/2005/11/20/something-mute/#comment-27 that link is in the aut-op-sy archive done know why it missed. that link is in the aut-op-sy archive done know why it missed.

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